Absolutely. One is far more likely to get significantly sick or die if one is unvaccinated. We have a year of experience to show this. I can't believe it's even an argument anymore. The fact that it still is illustrates the points in your post, about having reasons to believe what one wants to believe, even when it makes no sense.
Absolutely. One is far more likely to get significantly sick or die if one is unvaccinated. We have a year of experience to show this. I can't believe it's even an argument anymore. The fact that it still is illustrates the points in your post, about having reasons to believe what one wants to believe, even when it makes no sense.
I don't know. More people have died since we started getting vaccines, in spite of the fact that the weakest were most likely to go first, and that many people had natural immunity by the time the vaccines were rolled out. Not to mention that countries without vaccines have done just fine. But I'm open-minded if you have evidence (links) to support your point. Best!
More people have died because more time has gone by, the virus has had more opportunity over time to penetrate into populations, and the more transmissible and severe delta variant developed.
I have no idea what you mean by "countries without vaccines have done just fine." Please specify which countries and in which ways they have done fine. That's quite the opposite of anything I've seen.
At this point, stating that one is more likely to get significantly sick or die of COVID if one is unvaccinated is pretty much like saying water is wet or the sky is blue. The information is everywhere-- but you may not be bumping into it. I understand that not everyone does direct patient care like I do, or spends time with university infectious disease departments or marinates in epidemiology and virology information for fun like I do. You probably have plenty of other things to occupy your time and are not constantly poring over public health statistics.
So here's one quick link on the latest from New Mexico:
I wish I could directly post the chart from the article here. It says that of the patients hospitalized, 82.9% are unvaccinated, and of those who have died, 89.1% are unvaccinated. Those numbers are very typical of what we're seeing in recent times.
"More people have died because more time has gone by"
Actually, the vaccines started to be rolled out about year ago, and the virus had already been around for about a year at that time.
"I have no idea what you mean by "countries without vaccines have done just fine." Please specify which countries and in which ways they have done fine. That's quite the opposite of anything I've seen."
The United States has the 19th highest death rate out of 224 countries, despite having a high vaccination rate (63% fully vaccinated). India has the 130th highest death rate, despite having only 48% of its people vaccinated. Russia has the 32nd highest death rate despite having only 47% of its population vaccinated. The Philippines has the 122nd highest death rate withonly 57% of the population vaccinated. I could go on and on cherry picking the data, but better to look at the big data studies such as this one: https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html
The findings: There has been a higher death rate where the vaccine has been administered at a higher rate.
That's enough for one post. I look forward to continuing the conversation!
I'm looking at the article you referenced from New Mexico. I agree that it indicates the vaccine is effective in preventing death, but it seems the effect is short lived.
"The omicron variant is currently ripping through New Mexico at rates not previously seen in the pandemic. The state has been reporting between 4,000 and more than 5,500 cases per day for more than a week. On Wednesday, the state reported 5,735 new cases тАУ a single-day record.
ThatтАЩs about twice as many cases as the state was reporting during the virusтАЩs peak in late 2020, before vaccines were widely available."
Anyway, thanks for the reference and sharing that you personally treat patients.
Absolutely. One is far more likely to get significantly sick or die if one is unvaccinated. We have a year of experience to show this. I can't believe it's even an argument anymore. The fact that it still is illustrates the points in your post, about having reasons to believe what one wants to believe, even when it makes no sense.
I don't know. More people have died since we started getting vaccines, in spite of the fact that the weakest were most likely to go first, and that many people had natural immunity by the time the vaccines were rolled out. Not to mention that countries without vaccines have done just fine. But I'm open-minded if you have evidence (links) to support your point. Best!
More people have died because more time has gone by, the virus has had more opportunity over time to penetrate into populations, and the more transmissible and severe delta variant developed.
I have no idea what you mean by "countries without vaccines have done just fine." Please specify which countries and in which ways they have done fine. That's quite the opposite of anything I've seen.
At this point, stating that one is more likely to get significantly sick or die of COVID if one is unvaccinated is pretty much like saying water is wet or the sky is blue. The information is everywhere-- but you may not be bumping into it. I understand that not everyone does direct patient care like I do, or spends time with university infectious disease departments or marinates in epidemiology and virology information for fun like I do. You probably have plenty of other things to occupy your time and are not constantly poring over public health statistics.
So here's one quick link on the latest from New Mexico:
https://www.abqjournal.com/2462844/state-sets-single-day-covid-19-case-record.html
I wish I could directly post the chart from the article here. It says that of the patients hospitalized, 82.9% are unvaccinated, and of those who have died, 89.1% are unvaccinated. Those numbers are very typical of what we're seeing in recent times.
'Bye, stay well.
Thanks Elene! I'll try to respond to your points.
"More people have died because more time has gone by"
Actually, the vaccines started to be rolled out about year ago, and the virus had already been around for about a year at that time.
"I have no idea what you mean by "countries without vaccines have done just fine." Please specify which countries and in which ways they have done fine. That's quite the opposite of anything I've seen."
Here are some relevant tables:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
The United States has the 19th highest death rate out of 224 countries, despite having a high vaccination rate (63% fully vaccinated). India has the 130th highest death rate, despite having only 48% of its people vaccinated. Russia has the 32nd highest death rate despite having only 47% of its population vaccinated. The Philippines has the 122nd highest death rate withonly 57% of the population vaccinated. I could go on and on cherry picking the data, but better to look at the big data studies such as this one: https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html
The findings: There has been a higher death rate where the vaccine has been administered at a higher rate.
That's enough for one post. I look forward to continuing the conversation!
I'm looking at the article you referenced from New Mexico. I agree that it indicates the vaccine is effective in preventing death, but it seems the effect is short lived.
"The omicron variant is currently ripping through New Mexico at rates not previously seen in the pandemic. The state has been reporting between 4,000 and more than 5,500 cases per day for more than a week. On Wednesday, the state reported 5,735 new cases тАУ a single-day record.
ThatтАЩs about twice as many cases as the state was reporting during the virusтАЩs peak in late 2020, before vaccines were widely available."
Anyway, thanks for the reference and sharing that you personally treat patients.