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0:00 Jeet’s plans for Canadian resistance
3:06 Trump 2.0: Making “autarkic imperialism” great again?
11:37 The hidden logic of Trump’s tariffs
19:55 The historical roots of Trumpism
34:32 How Trump won the GOP civil war
43:12 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Jeet Heer (The Nation). Recorded March 18, 2025.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 A grand unified theory of Bidenism
7:21 Trump and Buchanan—compare and contrast
14:40 The China-hawkism fueling Trump’s foreign policy
22:16 Worthwhile Canadian backlash continues
26:02 Will Canada’s old-school new prime minister stick?
33:18 Europe and the Trump-Elon effect
35:40 Does Trump have a Middle East endgame?
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