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Trump vs International Law (Robert Wright & Mark Leon Goldberg)

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0:00 Mark’s newsletter, podcast, and Bloggingheads roots
3:21 Is Trump really anti-internationalist?
8:06 Who was the most pro-UN post-Cold-War president?
13:01 Is global governance doomed?
16:52 Scoring the UN’s post-Cold War track record
23:34 ICC and ICJ 101
32:53 Why the WHO matters
39:24 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Mark Leon Goldberg (Global Dispatches, To Save Us From Hell). Recorded January 30, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Elise Stefanik vs Trump’s other UN ambassadors
7:29 How opposing UNRWA went bipartisan
11:24 US-UN relations under Trump 2.0
16:07 Why is MAGA anti-foreign aid?
24:55 The state of global AI governance
31:03 China’s UN playbook
36:40 Who broke the WTO? And is it fixable?

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