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Untangling Trump’s Tariff Logic (Robert Wright & Samuel Hammond)
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Untangling Trump’s Tariff Logic (Robert Wright & Samuel Hammond)

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0:00 Sam's theory of (some of) Trump's tariffs
17:45 The bad scenario and the less bad scenario
22:34 Scott Bessent's radicalism
25:34 Will Trump display the art of the deal?
28:33 China's trade-war strengths
31:24 An intentional end to American hegemony?
35:46 Sam’s defense of chip restrictions
40:04 Heading into Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Samuel Hammond (Foundation for American Innovation, https://www.secondbest.ca/). Recorded April 14, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Sam reconsiders his support for Trump, sort of
3:50 The chip-war security dilemma
15:34 Is China catching up in AI?
22:41 The anti-autocracy case for chip restrictions
30:11 The AI safety case for chip restrictions
36:11 Why is Trump failing to bring peace to Ukraine?
39:36 AI2027
47:32 Best possible outcomes

Overtime video:

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